Does anything after ';//' really means something, or it can be dumped away?

Are spaces at the line beginnings really needed, or I can rearrange them differently?

   1.5;//blah blah

1.5;//blah blah

Last, but not least: there's the -0.3f00000 entry in float field even in default mod, but the game doesn't crash on it. Does it mean something, or is this a typo?

Last, but not least: there's the -0.3f00000 entry in float field even in default mod, but the game doesn't crash on it. Does it mean something, or is this a typo?

"ZeXLR8er" said:

Questions of my own: I'm not sure that your program is picking up many of the values in the files correctly. For instance, if you load up the "default" mod, and look at the very first entry in plot objects, "Replicator cell", your viewer tells me that the object will be deleted after -1000 seconds and vanishes after dropping 1000000 of [Unknown (13000000)] in 0px area.
When I compare that to the file however, the ";//time to delete object in milliseconds" is actually "-1.000000", which is the "don't delete" indicator. And the "effects" dialogue tells me that it drops 1 unit of item 13, rather than 1000000 of item 13000000. Maybe simply out by a factor of 1000000, or it's not recognizing the "."?

[Replicator Cell]
class: [normal object (0)]
uses [Unknown (0)] definition
8 instances are placed at random at all areas
effects execute at map creation (conditions not checked)

------Effects------

Vanishes after this:
drop 1 of [Replicator Cell (13)] in 0px area.

"Dorten" said:
simplest one: Ignore them. (not good)
simpler one: Load them when loading mod and save back after that. New entries are created without comments. (very simple to make)
medium one: Always save the default comments, custom ones discarded. (will have to write down all defaults )
harder one: load and save custom comments, allow editing them, new entries are created with default comments. ( )

My initial intention was to make editor like this: Each object is a bunch of fields, some fields being a lists of other objecsts (blocks). So, when editing an object you will be presented with a number of textboxes for single fields and for lists - buttons, which open the very same list form but for subobjects. There's the comment options:

simplest - ignore on loading AND writing (no comments in resulting files);
simple - save comments on load and write back on save
medium - ignore on load, write defaults on save
hard - have comment textbox near each of the fields

I won't be able to add some fansy stuff like picking image and sound files with open file dialogs or whatever later

Accessed by:
       - Creature 4 (weapon)
       - Creature 45 (death effects)
       - Item 76
       - Script 32

begin_effects_block;
The swamp is slowing you down.;//event text
100.000000;//interval
1;//run only once 0=no, 1=yes
begin_conditions;
end_conditions;
begin_effects;
1;//effect number
100.000000;//parameter1
-1.000000;//parameter2
0.500000;//parameter3
0.000000;//parameter4
end_effects;
end_effects_block;

begin_effects_block;
The swamp is slowing you down.;//event text
0.000000;//interval
1;//run only once 0=no, 1=yes
begin_conditions;
end_conditions;
begin_effects;
1;//effect number
100.000000;//parameter1
-1.000000;//parameter2
0.500000;//parameter3
0.000000;//parameter4
end_effects;
end_effects_block;

;text
500;//text_y
159;//start_x
282;//start_y
324;//end_x
520;//end_y

none;text
500;//text_y
159;//start_x
282;//start_y
324;//end_x
520;//end_y

"ZeXLR8er" said:

I'd imagine that this should be fairly easy to fix?

"ZeXLR8er" said:

It should simply be left as only the ";" (I don't know why this is different to the other files), as "none" now shows up in the intros/ending.

"ZeXLR8er" said:

I'd far prefer it if there was a "save" button on every file window you open, rather than simply on the main window. This isn't to add any additional functionality, simply it is far more intuitive to "save" as you finish working on an individual file, rather than the mod overall. It just feels strange to have to close the window first and then return to the main window before saving.

"ZeXLR8er" said:

Are 'object definitions' planned to be part of the Mod Viewer/Editor?

"ZeXLR8er" said:

And yeah, whenever the ""What Links Here" option" can be incorporated, that will be fantastic. I've got one or two weird things going on with my mod at the moment that I know must be script-related, however I have no idea what is calling it.

"anruca" said:
Hi people!...
I know this is going to sound like a stupid question but how do i use this program?
It is in my Notrium folder but when i try to start it up it shows me an error...
NMV 0.65.EXE -Application Error
The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135). Click on OK to terminate the app...
That's the error if i am doing something wrong write cos i am still new to this program.
Anyway Thanks...

Building;//name---------------------------------------
1;//identifier
begin_animation_frames;
building.png;//texture name
0;//time to display frame
end_animation_frames;
0.20000;//size*128
0.000000;//vary size
1;//transparent
2;//layer
0;//does it sway with the wind
0;//gets transparent when player near
0;//provides shade for player
1;//collision detection type, -1=none, 0=circle radius parameter0, 1=polygon parameter0 from polygons.dat size parameter1
6.000000;//collision detection parameter0
0.600000;//collision detection parameter1
0;//Block vision. If 1, enemies and player cannot see other creatures through it. Use sparingly, this slows the AI down.
0;//Stops bullets. Use sparingly as this can slow the game down a lot.

EDIT: Woa, this version saves over the Object Definitions file with the Terrain Types file. Yikes.

"ZeXLR8er" said:
Woa, this version saves over the Object Definitions file with the Terrain Types file. Yikes.

"Dorten" said:

"anruca" said:
Hi people!...
I know this is going to sound like a stupid question but how do i use this program?
It is in my Notrium folder but when i try to start it up it shows me an error...
NMV 0.65.EXE -Application Error
The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135). Click on OK to terminate the app...
That's the error if i am doing something wrong write cos i am still new to this program.
Anyway Thanks...

Do you have .NET framework 1.1?

"anruca" said:

"Dorten" said:
Do you have .NET framework 1.1?

I think that's a no. Don't have that on my pc.

"MageKing17" said:
I just checked this out. I must say, very impressive. Still needs work, obviously, but already looks like a great tool. Definitely worth working on.

A suggestion: Certain fields only have a point if certain other fields have certain values in them (for example, an items "particle" field has no meaning if "show on radar" is 0), but are displayed anyway (so a lot of items wind up displaying, say, "Blood(0)" as their particle, despite not using their particle at all). It would help (for the sake of readability) if these "pointless fields" weren't displayed in the little summary screen on the bottom left.

Another thing: The "short description" in the summary screen doesn't have a clear divider to end it (for example, "----------Slots----------" has clearly ended when you run into "----------Effects----------", while "----------Short description----------" runs straight into "size:" and "show on radar:" and the rest of the info). It'd help (again, for the sake of readability) if a divisor (as in "----------Statistics----------" or something similar) were inserted.

"Dorten" said:
To take care of "pointless fields" displaying in the Description textbox I only need to override the GetFieldDescription for them to not show anything, if it's pointless (can you provide me with the list of all relevant cases?).

"dorten" said:
Maybe just a row of '-----...' at the end of multiline fields would help?

"Aegis" said:
Great work with your releases. But there could be a problem with how it treats ";//draw layer" lines. The viewer states that anything over 2 is a bug, while it actually makes the object invisible, which can be useful. But I don't know if the invisibility was intended or not.