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    What's happened to these forums?

    Vacuus 17 years ago
    O.k, so what's going on? When I left, these forums seemed nice, intelligent and somewhat respectable. So, I disappear for a little while. Then I come back. To what, exactly? The place seems full of bitching, arguments, and general whining...

    O.k, maybe that's going a little too far, but I'll give some names & pointers of who I think are the main offenders. (Going and crying to parents because your name is on the list is entirely optional):

    -Zombie/OniKoneko/(insert your latest nickname) - To think I actually once held you as a somewhat reasonable person. All I see now is whining & arguing. You snapped back at Amarth when he (respectably) told you continuing your argument after the thread was locked was a bad idea. You have ALWAYS got something to say. "No your wrong, I'm right!" is all I need to make out of your posts. Give me a break. You cannot be right about everything - likewise, just because someone is younger doesn't mean they are necessarily stupider. I'ld appreciate it if you'ld stop holding grudges, too.

    -Cejer - Many of your posts are derogatory, using unnecessarily long and obscure words. Publicly calling someone stupid, is not what I'ld call sensible for someone of your "intellect". Note that a bigger vocabulary does not mean a bigger intellect. Note that many people here don't natively speak English - you should be thankful you can talk to these great people at all.

    Call me a flamer, Troll, or whatever - everyone has limits, and I've pretty much hit mine. But, in all honesty, if the offenders continue this, I have a distinct feeling this forum will loose much of its user base. Then would they argue with/insult?

    So, please, Zombie & Cejer, read the comments, get over it, and grow up. I do not want to have to listen to this bullshit every spare moment of my time spent on these forums (I'm sure others feel the same). Stop thinking these forums are the centre of your existence, and find something (or someone) else to do in your no doubt dull lives.
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    angus 17 years ago
    Sadly, I believe that these forums are beginning to go the way of the Vertigo Games Forums. They began "Whining and arguing" too, and next thing you know, not many people post there anymore due to spambot and\or noob invasion.

    Note:
    Spambot Invasion: The forums hold nothing but advertisements for cheap Viagra, etc. Fortunately, this problem was recently resolved.

    noob invasion: Caused by overenthusiastic advertising. You guys think that you have a noob problem here... I've seen it ten times worse in other places.

    Anyway, this kind of thing can only be resolved by acting respectable, and heavy moderation. If you deliberately refuse to use correct spelling and grammar, then that should not be acceptable. A small grammatical error once in a while is fine, but phrases like:

    HAY ALL!!!!!! HOWS IT GOIN?!?!

    Well, it is kind of stupid.

    Anyway, Just my opinion. If you flame me for it, it just proves my point, so there.
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    Crazy 17 years ago
    Woo! Hold up the red flag of revolution!

    Well, okay, maybe not a red one, that's a bit too commie.


    Anywho, i would have to agree about what is generally happening in the forums, though i'm not sure if this is just another fit the community is throwing (And by far it wouldn't be the first or worst one).

    Also, i'm glad someone had the guts to speak out against individuals. But i'll keep my tongue locked and Zombie probably already knows where i stand...
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    Idiota 17 years ago
    I'll just make one statement:

    When someone makes an argument, he should not be offending people with other opinions. If he does, he violates the forum policy of flaming. I will not tolerate this even the slightest. I don't care about whatever point you were trying to make with the post, I'll delete it on sight (after reading it). There is no need for me to waste my time seperating the flames from the content for you, you post will get deleted, and deleted posts won't come back no matter how hard you try.

    I'm hoping that I will never have to enforce this of course, but the situation lately leaves me no choice. No one means another person harm on these forums, so let's not pretend we do.
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    Zombie 17 years ago
    "Vacuus" said:
    -Zombie/OniKoneko/(insert your latest nickname) - To think I actually once held you as a somewhat reasonable person. All I see now is whining & arguing. You snapped back at Amarth when he (respectably) told you continuing your argument after the thread was locked was a bad idea. You have ALWAYS got something to say. "No your wrong, I'm right!" is all I need to make out of your posts. Give me a break. You cannot be right about everything - likewise, just because someone is younger doesn't mean they are necessarily stupider. I'ld appreciate it if you'ld stop holding grudges, too.

    I agree, mostly. Although I try not to hold grudges, and my nature often prevents me from holding grudges. Everyone gets new chances with me. It's just a trust issue with some types of people. Also, why not give ME a break? I never said that age has anything to do with intelligence. Those are your words, not mine. That is all I will say on this matter, as that is all that needs to be said.

    I do apologize for that snap at Amarth, however. He was right and I had no right to respond the way I did, no matter how strongly I stand by my views when it seems as if just about everyone in the forum is labeling me as a horrible person for them. I know this will just be labeled as an excuse, but I have been going through loads of stress trying to pass my classes lately and it has made me irritable sometimes. I am trying to control it, however, as it isn't any fault of anyone here and should not be taken out on you for that very reason.

    I do not think, however, that I am "always right" and I concede that I am wrong on a regular basis for that reason. If you take my posts as me saying "I am right and you are wrong" then that is no fault of mine. How you interpret things is your problem and I would appreciate it if you left me out of it. What I say is always, always my opinion and should be treated as such without need for disclaimer. I state it as truth because, in my perspective and from my experiences, it currently is what I see to be truth. That is how you make persuasive arguments. I don't speak softly as that leads to people being able to bend my views to what they think I mean, when I do not want that at all.

    Yes, I do always have something to say. Get over it. I have opinions. Many of them. I think a lot. Saying that always having something to say is a bad thing is, in my opinion, just plain ignorance. I could say a far lot more than I actually do.

    Whining, though? How do you define whining on the internet? "My life sucks so hard" or somesuch? I don't whine when I'm serious. I don't "whine" in a text based environment. Whining? Please. This is another topic I will end here, as I firmly believe that severity of circumstances changes greatly when they are your circumstances and not someone else's.

    All I see in your post is a thin slice of constructive criticism stewing in a large pot of complaints. If you want to have a problem with me, go ahead. Have a problem with me. Maybe, though, you should listen to your own advice as well. You aren't always right about people and, in the cases above, I do not think you are right about me. Again, this is not because you have a problem with me. I have no problems with people who can tell me when I'm being a jackass. In fact, I like those kinds of people. Crazy often helps keep me on the level, you know? He might not want to admit it, though.

    You might label me as a "problem" and say you're disappointed in me, but the fact remains that I have improved and am still striving to do so. The best way you can help me stop doing things like this is to, maybe, PM me with an explanation of why you have a problem with me. Or post it on the forums. Communication is key.

    Aside from that, I am glad you are back. ^-^ I was wondering where you had gone.

    [ADDENDUM]
    "Crazy" said:
    Also, i'm glad someone had the guts to speak out against individuals. But i'll keep my tongue locked and Zombie probably already knows where i stand...

    By the by, Crazy... Lately I have, on several occasions, asked you to please talk with me about what problems you have with me. I honestly do want to, at least, hear them so I can try and improve myself. The perspectives of others is often the only way you can truly change for the better. At most, I'd like to resolve these problems we seem to have. I don't want to have bad blood among my brethren in these forums.
    [/ADDENDUM]
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    Crazy 17 years ago
    Crazy often helps keep me on the level, you know? He might not want to admit it, though.
    No i don't... >.>
    At most, I'd like to resolve these problems we seem to have.
    Yes, yes. I'd be... well, if not glad, then willing to talk, however i imagine this might be a pretty long conversation, so i guess we should have it on IRC. But i don't know when. Today i have about 20 minutes of computer time. I've slept a total of 13 hours and i'm still freaking tired.
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    Anonymous1157 17 years ago
    @Crazy: Most people get even more tired when they sleep way too long. Try sleeping for 8-10 hours, and make it a habit. Might work.

    ...

    Is this officially a general-use apology thread? 'Cause I owe one or two myself. I don't think I ever apologized when I thought Idiota hadn't realized his name was Spanish for "idiot".
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    MageKing17 17 years ago
    While we're apologizing, I apologize for any trolling, flaming, or just plain pointless arguing I've done in the past. If I do it again, poke me or something. Point out that I'm doing it. I'd like to remove it from my repertoire of responses altogether.
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    ahrenjb 17 years ago
    Since we are all happy on apologizing, and I am just oh so touched.

    I apologize for the occasional cynicism, n00bdom, and any future disgruntling act I may participate in.
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    Idiota 17 years ago
    "Anonymous1157" said:
    Is this officially a general-use apology thread? 'Cause I owe one or two myself. I don't think I ever apologized when I thought Idiota hadn't realized his name was Spanish for "idiot".

    My name means 'idiot' in a lot of languages mate. And I'll allways be one letter away from being an 'idiot' in all languages.
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    Shingo 17 years ago
    "Idiota" said:
    "Anonymous1157" said:
    Is this officially a general-use apology thread? 'Cause I owe one or two myself. I don't think I ever apologized when I thought Idiota hadn't realized his name was Spanish for "idiot".

    My name means 'idiot' in a lot of languages mate. And I'll allways be one letter away from being an 'idiot' in all languages.

    More precisely, "Idiota" is the feminine word for Idiota, in the spanish language. And I'm not going to make further comments or speculations as to why the person with the ban/deletion buttons has such a name.
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    Grim Reaper 17 years ago
    "Idiota" said:
    "Anonymous1157" said:
    Is this officially a general-use apology thread? 'Cause I owe one or two myself. I don't think I ever apologized when I thought Idiota hadn't realized his name was Spanish for "idiot".

    My name means 'idiot' in a lot of languages mate. And I'll allways be one letter away from being an 'idiot' in all languages.
    Not true. "Idiot" is "idiootti" in Finnish, and I trust that you see the difference in the amount of letters.

    Also, I apologize for my more-or-less constant nitpicking and general elitist bastard behavior - whether or not it may have actually occurred.
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    Crazy 17 years ago
    I apologize for being so cranky every once in a while.
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    Pete 17 years ago
    And I apologize for going totally wacko at times.
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    Idiota 17 years ago
    I apoligise for any unjust spamfests I made (EETEE anyone?).
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    Binky 17 years ago
    I apologise for...... Wait, I don't have anything I've done wrong.
    If anyone can think of anything, which is unlikely, since I've only been part of these forums a couple months or something, tell me.
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    harwe 17 years ago
    "Binky" said:
    I apologise for...... Wait, I don't have anything I've done wrong.
    LIES!!! a complete and utterly terrible lie!!!
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    Anonymous1157 17 years ago
    "harwe" said:
    "Binky" said:
    I apologise for...... Wait, I don't have anything I've done wrong.
    LIES!!! a complete and utterly terrible lie!!!
    He should apologize for starting out a bit too n00by. No, wait, that was someone else...

    ...

    I apologize for explodeding on n00bs, although they ALMOST deserved it.

    On another unrelated note, someone should compile a list of words for "Idiot" in every language we can think of. *Looks in the Wikipedia dictionary-thing*
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    Quanrian 17 years ago
    I wouldn't say this forum is going down any horrible path. Every forum, regardless of how hard people try, will detoriorate over time, just like any relationship. It's the responsibility of 'all' to maintain the health of a forum. I've made mistakes (and I usually get entire threads made about it when I do), and I've also had to privately message people about their conduct (yes it does happen, but it's not something I do very often) in the forum.

    Things still work (let's not forget we're still here and kicking), but people need to remember to show more respect to their peers if they expect respect themselves. I think this forum went a bit south when it became a lot less about games and seemingly more about philosophies and just how high someone's IQ is. Really I do not care how smart you are. I really don't even mind if your spelling isn't perfect(frankly this has become a big source of flaming and it needs to stop). All I really care about is how people conduct themselves in respect to others.

    It does become tiresome seeing people get angry because one word is mispelled, or someone foreign can't write proper english. If you reacted that way offline, I dearly hope someone slaps you for being that rude. I had many foreign friends and I never chewed them out for not speaking as clearly as I'd of liked, instead I helped them. So while this forum still stands on its legs well enough, it will buckle to its knees, if its core members wont reign in their negative criticisms and replace them with constructive criticisms.

    I'm unsure sometimes if the members here understand the difference between constructive and purely negative criticism. If you're not offering a solution, it's not constructive. If you have to verbally insult someone or their idea to get your own view across, that is most certainly negative. "Hey you idiot, your idea sucks, and mine is better!", is whimsical at best, yet I see it used far too often. Let's all just get a long and remember why we're here, to play and discuss games (at least I am), not to belittle people.
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    Amarth 17 years ago
    "Quanrian" said:
    I think this forum went a bit south when it became a lot less about games and seemingly more about philosophies and just how high someone's IQ is.
    Okay. I have a solution.

    RELEASE CORMOON ALREADY WILL YA?

    Was that constructive? I offered a solution
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    E_net4 17 years ago
    "Quanrian" said:
    (...) and just how high someone's IQ is.
    I never heard of such topic!
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    Amarth 17 years ago
    "E_net4" said:
    "Quanrian" said:
    (...) and just how high someone's IQ is.
    I never heard of such topic!
    I did. Mine was highest. [*]



    [*]Might be wrong.
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    Pete 17 years ago
    "Amarth" said:
    "Quanrian" said:
    I think this forum went a bit south when it became a lot less about games and seemingly more about philosophies and just how high someone's IQ is.
    Okay. I have a solution.

    RELEASE CORMOON ALREADY WILL YA?

    Was that constructive? I offered a solution
    Or at least a demo. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.
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    E_net4 17 years ago
    "Amarth" said:
    "E_net4" said:
    "Quanrian" said:
    (...) and just how high someone's IQ is.
    I never heard of such topic!
    I did. Mine was highest. [*]

    [*]Might be wrong.
    What was it?
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    Amarth 17 years ago
    140-ish? Don't remember exactly.

    I remember mentioning it in chat to my GF at the time, but it seems like I don't have logs from it... Which proves the test was done before March '05, the time I started logging my chats for no obvious reason.

    Anyway, it doesn't really matter. I suppose my score would be lower now, by the way. I don't think years of university are good for your intelligence (for your wisdom, OTOH...)
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    Crazy 17 years ago
    I remember my IQ dropping 10 points in six months.

    'course, that was awhile ago...

    Anywho, enough offtopic-ness-ness.
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    Vacuus 17 years ago
    Zombie's Post

    Look, I'm not even going to bother. I really don't see the point arguing with you when your so hard-headed. Possibly not now, but no doubt in the future..

    So, goodbye all & goodluck. Maybe I'll see you when/if Cormoon is finished. Take care, I'll be watching
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    Binky 17 years ago
    "harwe" said:
    "Binky" said:
    I apologise for...... Wait, I don't have anything I've done wrong.
    LIES!!! a complete and utterly terrible lie!!!
    ..... ................. ..... ........ YOU FAIL! *Goes insane with laughter* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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    E_net4 17 years ago
    "Binky" said:
    "harwe" said:
    "Binky" said:
    I apologise for...... Wait, I don't have anything I've done wrong.
    LIES!!! a complete and utterly terrible lie!!!
    ..... ................. ..... ........ YOU FAIL! *Goes insane with laughter* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Here's a prove.

    Man, what about me? Last time I checked I had IQ 138.
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    Murska 17 years ago
    Last time I checked, some years ago, with the test for 16 year olds(I was some 11 at the time), it was 145. Anyhow, it WAS a partial test.


    Also, I remember the old days of the forum being crazy, which also made it fun and active. Like the start of the EETEE. When it became an RP, it WAS fun and all, but it left a place for something of total chaos. And then it died. I, myself, am not very good with that kind of RPs, with the very simple reason of having low amounts of imagination at my disposal.
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    Anonymous1157 17 years ago
    Someone should pressure Grim into sending out more "Come back, damn it!" emails.
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    Quanrian 17 years ago
    "Amarth" said:
    "Quanrian" said:
    I think this forum went a bit south when it became a lot less about games and seemingly more about philosophies and just how high someone's IQ is.
    Okay. I have a solution.

    RELEASE CORMOON ALREADY WILL YA?

    Was that constructive? I offered a solution

    Nope, sorry that doesn't count as constructive, but nice try . We're not rushing the game or the demo, because historically that is the worst thing a developer can do. I'm glad to see you all discussing this in a mostly mature manner.
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    Zombie 17 years ago
    "Vacuus" said:
    Zombie's Post

    Look, I'm not even going to bother. I really don't see the point arguing with you when your so hard-headed. Possibly not now, but no doubt in the future..

    So, goodbye all & goodluck. Maybe I'll see you when/if Cormoon is finished. Take care, I'll be watching

    Sadly, I think your post proves which one of us is the most hard-headed. I am willing to fix my mistakes and shortcomings, yet you seem to refuse to acknowledge this. I am hard-headed in my beliefs, yes... but you are hard-headed in your actions.

    I'll miss you. D:
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    Idiota 17 years ago
    I agree with Zombie here, She apoligised for all the mistakes she, to me, made. We're most certainly miss you and your opinion Vacuus, and I do hope to see you again with Cormoon, because you most certainly were part of the forums.
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    MageKing17 17 years ago
    "Quanrian" said:
    We're not rushing the game or the demo, because historically that is the worst thing a developer can do.
    Quoted For Fucking Emphasis, Damnit!

    "Quanrian" said:
    I think this forum went a bit south when it became a lot less about games and seemingly more about philosophies and just how high someone's IQ is.
    I'm fairly sure all the philosophical discussion is limited to the IRC channel, nowadays, which is just how it should be. If you want, I can create more threads dedicated to specific games. We could use a good revival of the System Shock 2 thread...
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