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    Notrium modding questions/answers

    Aegis 16 years ago
    Is the missing file called "You.png"? I might be in .jpg format. Host it on imageshack or something.
    Is your mod called "Infestation"?
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    MM5 16 years ago
    Yeah, there were files before but they needed to be erased so I could run even the editor. But this is the one I am using.
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    Aegis 16 years ago
    Host the file on imagashack or similar so everyone can have a look at it.
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    MM5 16 years ago
    Hmm... I made a mistake in naming the thing it isn't you but creature6, nevertheless, the problem with crashing remins.

    Initializing Game
      Starting Load file data/Aleryon Betrayal/player_races.dat
        Starting Load Human
          Starting Load Texture ragdoll_human.png
          Finished Load Texture ragdoll_human.png
          Starting Load Texture inyourfaceinterface.png
          Finished Load Texture inyourfaceinterface.png
          Starting Load Texture player.png
          Finished Load Texture player.png
          Starting Load Texture player_1.png
          Finished Load Texture player_1.png
          Starting Load Texture weaponframes.png
          Finished Load Texture weaponframes.png
          Starting Load Texture weaponframes2.png
          Finished Load Texture weaponframes2.png
          Starting Load Texture weaponFrames2.png
          Finished Load Texture weaponFrames2.png
          Starting Load Texture creature0.png
          Finished Load Texture creature0.png
          Starting Load Texture slot.png
          Finished Load Texture slot.png
          Starting Load Texture skel1.png
          Finished Load Texture skel1.png
        Finished Load Human
      Finished Load file data/Aleryon Betrayal/player_races.dat
      Starting Load file data/Default/player_races.dat
        Starting Load Human
          Starting Load Texture ragdoll_human.png
          Finished Load Texture ragdoll_human.png
          Starting Load Texture computer.png
          Finished Load Texture computer.png
          Starting Load Texture creature0.png
          Finished Load Texture creature0.png
          Starting Load Texture creature0_1.png
          Finished Load Texture creature0_1.png
          Starting Load Texture slot.png
          Finished Load Texture slot.png
        Finished Load Human
        Starting Load Alien
          Starting Load Texture ragdoll_alien.png
          Finished Load Texture ragdoll_alien.png
          Starting Load Texture creature6.png
          Finished Load Texture creature6.png
        Finished Load Alien
        Starting Load Android
          Starting Load Texture ragdoll_android.png
          Finished Load Texture ragdoll_android.png
          Starting Load Texture creature7.png
          Finished Load Texture creature7.png
        Finished Load Android
        Starting Load Psionic
          Starting Load Texture qpsionic_ragdoll.png
          Finished Load Texture qpsionic_ragdoll.png
          Starting Load Texture qpcreature.png
          Finished Load Texture qpcreature.png
        Finished Load Psionic
        Starting Load Escape Pod
          Starting Load Texture invisible.png
          Finished Load Texture invisible.png
        Finished Load Escape Pod
      Finished Load file data/Default/player_races.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/player_races.dat
        Starting Load Alien
          Starting Load Texture Xen.jpg
          Finished Load Texture Xen.jpg
          Starting Load Texture computer.png
          Finished Load Texture computer.png
          Starting Load Texture creature6.png
          Finished Load Texture creature6.png
          Starting Load Texture slot.png
          Finished Load Texture slot.png
        Finished Load Alien
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/player_races.dat
      Starting Load file data/Tutorial/player_races.dat
        Starting Load Human
          Starting Load Texture ragdoll_human.png
          Finished Load Texture ragdoll_human.png
          Starting Load Texture computer.png
          Finished Load Texture computer.png
          Starting Load Texture creature0.png
          Finished Load Texture creature0.png
          Starting Load Texture slot.png
          Finished Load Texture slot.png
        Finished Load Human
        Starting Load Psionic
          Starting Load Texture qpsionic_ragdoll.png
          Finished Load Texture qpsionic_ragdoll.png
          Starting Load Texture qpcreature.png
          Finished Load Texture qpcreature.png
        Finished Load Psionic
      Finished Load file data/Tutorial/player_races.dat
      Starting Load Sample click0.wav
      Finished Load Sample click0.wav
      Starting Load Sample click1.wav
      Finished Load Sample click1.wav
      Starting Load Sample click2.wav
      Finished Load Sample click2.wav
      Starting Load Sample intro.wav
      Finished Load Sample intro.wav
      Starting Load Texture mouse0.png
      Finished Load Texture mouse0.png
      Starting Load Texture mouse1.png
      Finished Load Texture mouse1.png
      Starting Load Texture mouse2.png
      Finished Load Texture mouse2.png
      Starting Load Texture mapdot.png
      Finished Load Texture mapdot.png
      Starting Load Texture black.bmp
      Finished Load Texture black.bmp
      Starting Load Texture menu.jpg
      Finished Load Texture menu.jpg
      Starting Load Texture bar.png
      Finished Load Texture bar.png
      Starting Load Texture carry_icon.png
      Finished Load Texture carry_icon.png
      Starting Mod Loading
        Starting Load Texture itemview.png
        Finished Load Texture itemview.png
        Starting Load Texture slider.png
        Finished Load Texture slider.png
        Starting Load Texture mouse0.png
        Finished Load Texture mouse0.png
        Starting Load Texture mouse1.png
        Finished Load Texture mouse1.png
        Starting Load Texture mouse2.png
        Finished Load Texture mouse2.png
        Starting Load Sample pick_up.wav
        Finished Load Sample pick_up.wav
        Starting Load Sample click0.wav
        Finished Load Sample click0.wav
        Starting Load Sample click1.wav
        Finished Load Sample click1.wav
        Starting Load Sample click2.wav
        Finished Load Sample click2.wav
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/particles.dat
          Starting Load Blood
            Starting Load Texture particle.png
            Finished Load Texture particle.png
          Finished Load Blood
          Starting Load Footstep
          Finished Load Footstep
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/particles.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/sounds.dat
          Starting Load test
            Starting Load Sample fire.wav
            Finished Load Sample fire.wav
          Finished Load test
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/sounds.dat
      Finished Mod Loading
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/object_definitions.dat
        Starting Load Texture invisible.png
        Finished Load Texture invisible.png
        Starting Load Texture prop1.png
        Finished Load Texture prop1.png
        Starting Load Texture prop2.png
        Finished Load Texture prop2.png
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/object_definitions.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/climate_types.dat
        Starting Load climate number0
          Starting Load Sample wind0.wav
          Finished Load Sample wind0.wav
        Finished Load climate number0
        Starting Load climate number1
        Finished Load climate number1
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/climate_types.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/creatures.dat
        Starting Load Xen
          Starting Load Sample step0.wav
          Finished Load Sample step0.wav
          Starting Load Sample step1.wav
          Finished Load Sample step1.wav
          Starting Load Sample step2.wav
          Finished Load Sample step2.wav
          Starting Load Sample grunt0.wav
          Finished Load Sample grunt0.wav
          Starting Load Sample grunt1.wav
          Finished Load Sample grunt1.wav
          Starting Load Sample grunt2.wav
          Finished Load Sample grunt2.wav
        Finished Load Xen
        Starting Load Enemy
          Starting Load Texture creature1.png
          Finished Load Texture creature1.png
          Starting Load Sample step_a0.wav
          Finished Load Sample step_a0.wav
          Starting Load Sample step_a1.wav
          Finished Load Sample step_a1.wav
          Starting Load Sample step_a2.wav
          Finished Load Sample step_a2.wav
          Starting Load Sample groan0.wav
          Finished Load Sample groan0.wav
          Starting Load Sample groan1.wav
          Finished Load Sample groan1.wav
          Starting Load Sample groan2.wav
          Finished Load Sample groan2.wav
        Finished Load Enemy
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/creatures.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/light.dat
        Starting Load Texture light0.png
        Finished Load Texture light0.png
        Starting Load Texture light1.png
        Finished Load Texture light1.png
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/light.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/weapons.dat
        Starting Load No Weapon - do not remove!
          Starting Load Texture bullet0.png
          Finished Load Texture bullet0.png
        Finished Load No Weapon - do not remove!
        Starting Load Melee Attack
          Starting Load Sample claws0.wav
          Finished Load Sample claws0.wav
          Starting Load Sample claws0_hit.wav
          Finished Load Sample claws0_hit.wav
        Finished Load Melee Attack
        Starting Load Ranged Attack
          Starting Load Sample laser.wav
          Finished Load Sample laser.wav
          Starting Load Sample laser_hit.wav
          Finished Load Sample laser_hit.wav
        Finished Load Ranged Attack
        Starting Load Laser Pistol
        Finished Load Laser Pistol
        Starting Load Claws0
        Finished Load Claws0
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/weapons.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/items.dat
        Starting Load Default Item
          Starting Load Sample use.wav
          Finished Load Sample use.wav
        Finished Load Default Item
        Starting Load Drop prop
        Finished Load Drop prop
        Starting Load Laser Pistol
          Starting Load Texture laser.png
          Finished Load Texture laser.png
        Finished Load Laser Pistol
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/items.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/areas.dat
        Starting Load Start Area
        Finished Load Start Area
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/areas.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/plot_objects.dat
        Starting Load Prop
        Finished Load Prop
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/plot_objects.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/animation.dat
        Starting Load Texture Intro.jpg
        Finished Load Texture Intro.jpg
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/animation.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/player_races.dat
        Starting Load Alien
        Finished Load Alien
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/player_races.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/AI_tactic.dat
        Starting Load No_AI
        Finished Load No_AI
        Starting Load Attack
        Finished Load Attack
        Starting Load Peaceful
        Finished Load Peaceful
        Starting Load Flee
        Finished Load Flee
        Starting Load Guard
        Finished Load Guard
        Starting Load Follow
        Finished Load Follow
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/AI_tactic.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/sides.dat
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/sides.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/bars.dat
        Starting Load Health
          Starting Load Texture bar.png
          Finished Load Texture bar.png
        Finished Load Health
        Starting Load Battery Energy
        Finished Load Battery Energy
        Starting Load Armor
        Finished Load Armor
        Starting Load Food
        Finished Load Food
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/bars.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/scripts.dat
        Starting Load Player dies due to lack of health
        Finished Load Player dies due to lack of health
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/scripts.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/polygons.dat
        Starting Load triangle
        Finished Load triangle
        Starting Load rectangle
        Finished Load rectangle
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/polygons.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/terrain_types.dat
        Starting Load Random Terrain
          Starting Load Texture random.jpg
          Finished Load Texture random.jpg
        Finished Load Random Terrain
        Starting Load No random objects
          Starting Load Texture norandom.png
          Finished Load Texture norandom.png
        Finished Load No random objects
        Starting Load Grass
          Starting Load Texture grass.jpg
          Finished Load Texture grass.jpg
        Finished Load Grass
        Starting Load Organic Ground
          Starting Load Texture Organic.png
          Finished Load Texture Organic.png
        Finished Load Organic Ground
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/terrain_types.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/terrain_maps.dat
        Starting Load Start Area
        Finished Load Start Area
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/terrain_maps.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/dialogs.dat
        Starting Load Alien Crap
        Finished Load Alien Crap
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/dialogs.dat
      Starting Load file data/Infestation/music.dat
      Finished Load file data/Infestation/music.dat
      Starting New Game Initialization
        Starting Mod Loading
          Starting Load file data/Infestation/particles.dat
            Starting Load Blood
            Finished Load Blood
            Starting Load Footstep
            Finished Load Footstep
          Finished Load file data/Infestation/particles.dat
          Starting Load file data/Infestation/sounds.dat
            Starting Load test
            Finished Load test
          Finished Load file data/Infestation/sounds.dat
        Finished Mod Loading
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/object_definitions.dat
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/object_definitions.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/climate_types.dat
          Starting Load climate number0
          Finished Load climate number0
          Starting Load climate number1
          Finished Load climate number1
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/climate_types.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/creatures.dat
          Starting Load Xen
          Finished Load Xen
          Starting Load Enemy
          Finished Load Enemy
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/creatures.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/light.dat
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/light.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/weapons.dat
          Starting Load No Weapon - do not remove!
          Finished Load No Weapon - do not remove!
          Starting Load Melee Attack
          Finished Load Melee Attack
          Starting Load Ranged Attack
          Finished Load Ranged Attack
          Starting Load Laser Pistol
          Finished Load Laser Pistol
          Starting Load Claws0
          Finished Load Claws0
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/weapons.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/items.dat
          Starting Load Default Item
          Finished Load Default Item
          Starting Load Drop prop
          Finished Load Drop prop
          Starting Load Laser Pistol
          Finished Load Laser Pistol
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/items.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/areas.dat
          Starting Load Start Area
          Finished Load Start Area
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/areas.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/plot_objects.dat
          Starting Load Prop
          Finished Load Prop
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/plot_objects.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/animation.dat
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/animation.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/player_races.dat
          Starting Load Alien
          Finished Load Alien
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/player_races.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/AI_tactic.dat
          Starting Load No_AI
          Finished Load No_AI
          Starting Load Attack
          Finished Load Attack
          Starting Load Peaceful
          Finished Load Peaceful
          Starting Load Flee
          Finished Load Flee
          Starting Load Guard
          Finished Load Guard
          Starting Load Follow
          Finished Load Follow
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/AI_tactic.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/sides.dat
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/sides.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/bars.dat
          Starting Load Health
          Finished Load Health
          Starting Load Battery Energy
          Finished Load Battery Energy
          Starting Load Armor
          Finished Load Armor
          Starting Load Food
          Finished Load Food
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/bars.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/scripts.dat
          Starting Load Player dies due to lack of health
          Finished Load Player dies due to lack of health
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/scripts.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/polygons.dat
          Starting Load triangle
          Finished Load triangle
          Starting Load rectangle
          Finished Load rectangle
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/polygons.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/terrain_types.dat
          Starting Load Random Terrain
          Finished Load Random Terrain
          Starting Load No random objects
          Finished Load No random objects
          Starting Load Grass
          Finished Load Grass
          Starting Load Organic Ground
          Finished Load Organic Ground
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/terrain_types.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/terrain_maps.dat
          Starting Load Start Area
          Finished Load Start Area
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/terrain_maps.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/dialogs.dat
          Starting Load Alien Crap
          Finished Load Alien Crap
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/dialogs.dat
        Starting Load file data/Infestation/music.dat
        Finished Load file data/Infestation/music.dat
        Starting Map Creation
          Starting Distributing Items
          Finished Distributing Items
          Starting Initializing Area Start Area
            Starting Find prop number multipliers
            Finished Find prop number multipliers
            Starting Select Climate
            Finished Select Climate
            Starting List no_random_objects_terrain
            Finished List no_random_objects_terrain
            Starting Allocate memory for map
            Finished Allocate memory for map
            Starting Distribute Map Editor terrains
            Finished Distribute Map Editor terrains
            Starting Initializing Creature Specialties
            Finished Initializing Creature Specialties
            Starting Distribute Map Editor objects
            Finished Distribute Map Editor objects
            Starting Initialize animation frames
              Starting Initialize terrain frames
              Finished Initialize terrain frames
              Starting Initialize object frames
              Finished Initialize object frames
            Finished Initialize animation frames
            Starting Initializing Plot Objects and Items
            Finished Initializing Plot Objects and Items
            Starting Creating minimap
            Finished Creating minimap
          Finished Initializing Area Start Area
        Finished Map Creation
        Starting Race Specialties Initialization
        Finished Race Specialties Initialization
      Finished New Game Initialization
    Finished Game
    Starting Release Graphics Engine
    Focus Lost
    Focus Lost
    Finished Release Graphics Engine
    Starting Uninitializing game
      Starting Saving setup
      Finished Saving setup
      Starting Clearing maps
      Finished Clearing maps
      Starting Freeing mouse
      Finished Freeing mouse
      Starting Uninitializing sounds
      Finished Uninitializing sounds
      Starting Uninitializing music
      Finished Uninitializing music
    Finished Uninitializing game


    Here's the pic:
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    roburky 16 years ago
    I haven't used the editor much before now, as I haven't had need to place things precisely in the world.

    But I'm finding now that the editor crashes whenever I select an object to place that uses the polygon collision detection, such as a wall. This only happens on my mod, and it only seems to happen after I've added a new map.

    I managed to get around it once by loading another mod in the map editor, then loading my mod, and the polygon objects would work again. But after that, the editor would start to crash when I pressed F4 for the plot objects screen. And after that, my mod would not load normally.

    Any ideas?
    #
    Aegis 16 years ago
    "MM5" said:

    Here's the pic:

    I believe that there is a transparency issue going on. Paint can't handle transparent images, so it automatically fills up the space with black. Use an advanced image editor like Gimp (<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.gimp.org">http://www.gimp.org</a><!-- w --> It's pretty hard to use at first, but once you understand how simple it is you'll be Gimping like a pro. Also note the Gimp is free and is better than Photoshop., as it is frequently updated with more filter effects and fixes.

    "roburky" said:
    I haven't used the editor much before now, as I haven't had need to place things precisely in the world.

    But I'm finding now that the editor crashes whenever I select an object to place that uses the polygon collision detection, such as a wall. This only happens on my mod, and it only seems to happen after I've added a new map.

    I managed to get around it once by loading another mod in the map editor, then loading my mod, and the polygon objects would work again. But after that, the editor would start to crash when I pressed F4 for the plot objects screen. And after that, my mod would not load normally.

    Any ideas?

    Check the identifiers in plot_objects, object_defs and polygons. Then check to see if any lines are missing.
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    MM5 16 years ago
    I believe that there is a transparency issue going on. Paint can't handle transparent images, so it automatically fills up the space with black. Use an advanced image editor like Gimp (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.gimp.org">http://www.gimp.org</a><!-- m --> It's pretty hard to use at first, but once you understand how simple it is you'll be Gimping like a pro. Also note the Gimp is free and is better than Photoshop., as it is frequently updated with more filter effects and fixes.

    Nope I fixed the black square problem. I set the transparency (BTW, I didn't use Paint for that) and then it worked just fine. Well except for the fact that the creature is green instead of brown.
    #
    Aegis 16 years ago
    Are you using Gimp? When saved as a .png the colours always work with Notrium.
    #
    MM5 16 years ago
    Dammit! No, it only made things worse! Now it just plain crashes! And no errors on the debug text I checked!

    So what do I do now? I don't know how to fix this situation!
    #
    yony6502 16 years ago
    were can i gat the game notrium modding pogram?
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    Quanrian 16 years ago
    "MM5" said:
    Dammit! No, it only made things worse! Now it just plain crashes! And no errors on the debug text I checked!

    So what do I do now? I don't know how to fix this situation!

    Two things you can do. The first is start over from scratch and this time make sure to backup your data files before you do anything risky with them and remember not to add too much too quickly or it becomes hell debugging it. You should only ever work on one thing at a time, don't get greedy adding feature after feature before you test even one. The second thing to do is start ripping out chunks of your data files, starting with what you suspect is causing the problem, but you might have already done this. If you've removed something that another one of the data files is referencing, that will cause Notrium to crash quite soundly.

    "yony6502" said:
    Where can I get notrium's modding program?

    Well there used to be Notrium File Viewer back in the day, but that's obsolete and will only corrupt the data files because it was never updated. You're basically forced to either read the Notrium Modding FAQ or deal with severe frustration of learning to mod without it, which will mean LOTS of trial and error. I implore you to check out the Modding FAQ as it will save you from a big headache. There is a self titled thread right in this section of the forums for it, so check it out at your leisure.
    #
    yony6502 16 years ago
    "Quanrian" said:
    "MM5" said:
    Dammit! No, it only made things worse! Now it just plain crashes! And no errors on the debug text I checked!

    So what do I do now? I don't know how to fix this situation!

    Two things you can do. The first is start over from scratch and this time make sure to backup your data files before you do anything risky with them and remember not to add too much too quickly or it becomes hell debugging it. You should only ever work on one thing at a time, don't get greedy adding feature after feature before you test even one. The second thing to do is start ripping out chunks of your data files, starting with what you suspect is causing the problem, but you might have already done this. If you've removed something that another one of the data files is referencing, that will cause Notrium to crash quite soundly.

    "yony6502" said:
    Where can I get notrium's modding program?

    Well there used to be Notrium File Viewer back in the day, but that's obsolete and will only corrupt the data files because it was never updated. You're basically forced to either read the Notrium Modding FAQ or deal with severe frustration of learning to mod without it, which will mean LOTS of trial and error. I implore you to check out the Modding FAQ as it will save you from a big headache. There is a self titled thread right in this section of the forums for it, so check it out at your leisure.


    icant gat in the modding faq it not late me gat in it not open the page ther is more plases fat i can go?
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    MM5 16 years ago
    Two things you can do. The first is start over from scratch and this time make sure to backup your data files before you do anything risky with them and remember not to add too much too quickly or it becomes hell debugging it. You should only ever work on one thing at a time, don't get greedy adding feature after feature before you test even one. The second thing to do is start ripping out chunks of your data files, starting with what you suspect is causing the problem, but you might have already done this. If you've removed something that another one of the data files is referencing, that will cause Notrium to crash quite soundly.

    *sigh* O.k, let's start from scratch! Good thing I didn't add to much stuff.
    #
    Amarth 16 years ago
    "yony6502" said:
    icant gat in the modding faq it not late me gat in it not open the page ther is more plases fat i can go?
    Works fine here. HTML version or PDF version, one of these should work I hope?

    Otherwise, find your Notrium folder and starts looking through the files in there to try and learn modding. All you need is a text editor (like Notepad++) and a graphics editor (like GIMP).
    #
    roburky 16 years ago
    Thanks, Aegis. I hadn't noticed polygons.dat. I had copied over the object_definitions.dat from default notrium, but not polygons.dat, so the entries for walls etc in the objects file was referencng entries in polygons.dat that weren't there.
    #
    yony6502 16 years ago
    Otherwise, find your Notrium folder and starts looking through the files in there to try and learn modding. All you need is a text editor (like Notepad++) and a graphics editor (like GIMP).


    ok i louren mach but were dose i donlwod the pograme to bigin moding?
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    MageKing17 16 years ago
    "yony6502" said:
    ok i louren mach but were dose i donlwod the pograme to bigin moding?
    You don't need to download a program to begin modding, you only need to download something if you want to make/modify graphics. Windows comes with notepad, so you don't need any additional tools to mod something simple (or complicated, as long as you don't need to make graphics).
    #
    MM5 16 years ago
    Hi it's me again! Yup, same goddamn problem! The terrain won't load and the debug doesn't show any errors. The game and the editor crash! Is this just happening to me or are others experiencing these problems?I'm REALLY annoyed with this and my head fells like it's going to explode...
    #
    Aegis 16 years ago
    If the editor or game doesn't load up at all, then that's a really good sign because you can see exactly which file stuffed up in the debug file, as it is the last entry.
    If that doesn't happen then you will be in a bit of a pickle. Try the good old move "end_of_file;" around the place to test which file stuffs the whole thing up.

    "MM5" said:
    I'm REALLY annoyed with this and my head fells like it's going to explode...
    Stick in there. Notrium is very frustrating at first, but once you understand it understanding Notrium will be a piece of cake.
    #
    MM5 16 years ago
    Thanks for the help Aegis, I found out the problem! It's amazing how the smallest problem can cause an entire crash! I figured out that I accidentally left an empty space between end_effects_block and end_of_file! With that fixed I shall continue my goal: The Creation of Infestation!

    EDIT: O.K maybe not. How do I get rid of those blue props in the Barebones mod? They're really annoying me and I don't know how to get rid of them. Where are they? In plot objects, items? I tried getting rid of them but the game keeps crashing!
    #
    Aegis 16 years ago
    "MM5" said:

    EDIT: O.K maybe not. How do I get rid of those blue props in the Barebones mod? They're really annoying me and I don't know how to get rid of them. Where are they? In plot objects, items? I tried getting rid of them but the game keeps crashing!

    They're in object_definitions. The easiest way to get rid of them is to change it's image file to invisible.png. But a long term solution would be to edit the climate_types file and also change the blue orb to something you like more.
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    MM5 16 years ago
    O.K, It worked. Thanks!
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    Doomedonnotrium 16 years ago
    Im trying to mod but Ive got several problems.

    1.armed Hermit with an rapid fire pistol and I have tested him in Hive, he started to shoot aliens and pwmed them.
    soon he stops firing at them and I wanna fix that, like he ran of ammo or something, how to fix that- unlimited ammo.

    2. How to change "creature's" health.

    3.I want to make marines to be controled like Hermit (ollow and guard mode).
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    Aegis 16 years ago
    1. Did you change his weapon to rapid fire pistol? If so then the effects of the rapid fire pistol include losing bullets. The bullets are an item so it automatically belongs to you. So that means that the hermit ran out of your ammo. An obvious solution would be to change rapid fire pistol so that it doesn't take away any ammo (remove effect number 16 and condition number 0) but you could copy the weapon, change it's identifier and remove the ammo use.

    2. At the bottom of a creature there are it's speciality's. This is basically health, just change the numbers.
      ;//description
        0;//number
        0.000000;//parameter0 -what bar it is
        0.000000;//parameter1 -minimum health 
        400.000000;//parameter2 - maximum health
        400.000000;//parameter3  -current health

    This creature has 400 health.
    To change it's max health just:
      ;//description
        0;//number
        0.000000;//parameter0 -what bar it is
        0.000000;//parameter1 -minimum health 
        100.000000;//parameter2 - maximum health
        100.000000;//parameter3  -current health

    Now it has 100 health

    3. Go into the creatures.dat file and find the marine (identifier 14), and change the primary and secondary tactics to what you want. They are currently "0" and "9", looking under Ai_tactic.dat it shows that "0" is attack normally and "9" guard firm. So you probably want to change the "0" to a "5".
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    roburky 16 years ago
    I have a wieldable item that adds to a bar if the bar reaches 0. The problem is, I don't want this item to be equippable if the bar is already at 0. If I add a condition to the item that the bar must be greater than 0, then the item unequips when the bar reaches 0, which is not what I want.

    Any ideas?

    Edit: Never mind, I found a solution. I've just got the item auto-equipping as long as the bar is above 0, and there isn't another wieldable item already in the slot.
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    MageKing17 16 years ago
    "Aegis" said:
    3. Go into the creatures.dat file and find the marine (identifier 14), and change the primary and secondary tactics to what you want. They are currently "0" and "9", looking under Ai_tactic.dat it shows that "0" is attack normally and "9" guard firm. So you probably want to change the "0" to a "5".
    Also make sure the marines are on the player's side, otherwise changing the tactics isn't very helpful.
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    Admiral 16 years ago
    Hello again, I am a bit stuck and any help would be much appreciated...
    I want to create several 'races' with a choice of 'job' for each.
    Will i have to create each instance in races.dat or is there a way around this (I want each race-job combination to have weapons/items that can only be used by that race-job combination)
    I know notrium does this with races (e.g. That item can only be used by Human/Android) but how do i adapt this to race-job?

    I guess what i'm asking is: Is there any other way to limit item/weapon use excluding the creation of each combination in race.dat?
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    roburky 16 years ago
    You could do a workaround using the difficulty settings for the jobs, as long as you don't want more than three. You'd have to put some clear explanation in your readme file, and it's a pretty inelegant solution.

    I'd just use separate player races.
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    MageKing17 16 years ago
    The easiest way is to manually create new entries, yes.
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    Admiral 16 years ago
    Is there any known limit to the number of entries in player_races.dat? As (>2 'races' * 6 'jobs' = >12 entries)...

    There is a work around... I could give the player the only items he/she can use from the beginning but that would mean that i couldn't leave items around the map that are race-job specific..


    P.S. I haven't started coding yet but i have the ideas down on paper, can any of the more experienced modders tell me if my ideas are too difficult/impossible.

    Warrior - uses close combat weaponry: swords, etc.
    Archer - uses ranged combat weaponry: bows, arrows, etc.
    Mage - uses combat spells: elemental magic, etc.
    Druid - uses Mortar & Pestle to make powders that can heal/harm
    Summoner - calls forth powerful magical entities to battle for him/her, but is physically weak
    Alchemist - almost similar to Summoner but instead of using power to summon, Alchemist uses materials to forge 'golems'

    I don't need help or anything just a helpful yes/no/way too difficult, etc
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    Aegis 16 years ago
    "Admiral" said:
    Is there any known limit to the number of entries in player_races.dat? As (>2 'races' * 6 'jobs' = >12 entries)...
    Nope, not that I know of.
    "Admiral" said:

    Warrior - uses close combat weaponry: swords, etc.
    Archer - uses ranged combat weaponry: bows, arrows, etc.
    Mage - uses combat spells: elemental magic, etc.
    Druid - uses Mortar & Pestle to make powders that can heal/harm
    Summoner - calls forth powerful magical entities to battle for him/her, but is physically weak
    Alchemist - almost similar to Summoner but instead of using power to summon, Alchemist uses materials to forge 'golems'
    Warrior - easy as pie.
    Archer - easier than pie.
    Mage - easy as pie.
    Druid - easy as pie.
    Summoner - dangerously easy.
    Alchemist - easy if you combine items to make a golem item, then you use the item to create the golem.

    Overall this is a very do-able mod.
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    Admiral 16 years ago
    Alchemist - easy if you combine items to make a golem item, then you use the item to create the golem.

    Overall this is a very do-able mod.

    Well, i was planning to have a 'tome of golem creation' (a bit like the 'blueprint' item)?

    But thanks a bunch for the assist!
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    Aegis 16 years ago
    "Admiral" said:
    Alchemist - easy if you combine items to make a golem item, then you use the item to create the golem.

    Overall this is a very do-able mod.

    Well, i was planning to have a 'tome of golem creation' (a bit like the 'blueprint' item)?
    That's even better!
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    Admiral 16 years ago
    Thanks a lot guys/gals. Got any advice on inventory use?

    Let me explain my idea: I want the player to start in map: Hall Of Knowledge
    There will be (hopefuly) ten or so objects at intervals along the walls which when Used/Opened open a (so far) unused inventory containing five items:

    Item 1: Question
    Item 2-5: Multiple choice answer

    If the player answers correctly i.e. Uses the correct answer item. A useful item e.g. potion or ether is deposited in menu 0 (I think that's the player inventory.)

    Good idea/Bad idea/Impossible?
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    Grim Reaper 16 years ago
    I think it's a great idea, and not that difficult to do (in theory).
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